Yeah. Rape is really "hot!". Are you really believing this??? Did you talk to your sisters, aunts, moms, gmoms, etc., about how sexy rape is before making this hot flic?? I needed stiches. Yeah, that was sexy.

I understand it must upset a lot of people,
but as a woman, I think a fantasy is a fantasy,
and some fantasies are hot.

I can see what LL s talking about and have rape fantasies and its not me raping as a male but being raped or at least taken without consent. I am also enormously impressed by LL's intellectual report and assesment

Hey I know ....how about this for a new erotic video from Kink.com?

Bobbi Starr and a group of the sexiest pornstars strap on fuck a hot slutty girl like Felony until all the babes squirt their pussy juices all over Felonys face and then the girls take turns pissing down Felonys throat and all over her sexy face again??

Seems like ..when it comes to erotic lesbian sex, Kink.com is good at bondage and other stuff..but with wet strap-on fucking and squirting and lesbo piss play...theres needs to be more focus on that also :)

just something to think about and MAKE IT HAPPEN

Well hopefully Peter Ackworth will read this and Princess Donna too,,, you guys are Great !!!!!!!!!!! I was reading about your Take down,,kinda a Rape Fantasy,, lot of Hott chicks out there into that,, I'd like to see you make a video,, where a Hott Chick is Forcefully dragged into the back of a Tractor Trailer to be bound and Gang Raped by a Bunch of Horny Hung Black Dudes about 25 of them as they hand-cuff her and Collar & Leash her, and place a Spreader Bar between her ankles and take turns using all her sweet holes and use toys on her ass and clamps on her tits to make her more Submissive, in the back of a Tractor Trailer,, that would be Kinky and Bizarre !!!!!! Great Web Site, and thanks for having a Forum to discuss ideas too !!!!! Crazy Clown !!!

Lovely video, and an even more wonderful statement by both Lorelei and Peter. Although, to be quite honest, I never assumed rape fantasies to be terribly controversial . . . women have them, men have them, and when you get these folks together with an explicit understanding that both want it to happen, it makes for really hot roleplay. I've sought out other rape fantasy porn before and you always get that horrible sneaking feeling of "What if? What if it was real?" in your gut. To have honest, responsible porn guaranteeing that it's in fact consensual and desired- while maintaining a little bit of that reality through the surprise-while-sleeping-by-strangers aspect- is incredible. I love the site idea.

In the end, it seems to me like Public Disgrace will end up being much more controversial than Midnight Takedown will be.

I just don't see how you are going to be able to surprise a model in order to make the scenario believable. Perhaps if you did it this way- you set up half a dozen models in a small motel. 5 of them watch HBO and eat Chinese food and nothing happens. The 6th model gets the business.

Kink has always been about fantasy, this is just a different form. It may not be tasteful to everyone but I think it will have a following. Kink should go head and launch this site, I applaud them for the launch of Public Disgrace.

-Kink for life.

I started thinking about this yesterday and it was in the back of my mind all day today.

Your models all fly into town around the same time each week, right? Why couldn't you arrange with them to fly in the night before, as standard operating procedure? You could put them up in a small hotel, maybe a piece of property that you own yourself. That way it would be a tax write off and you would ensure privacy. Say you have 6 models in the hotel. 5 of them watch Letterman and go to sleep, and nothing happens. One of them gets the business. That would make it a real surprise to the one who gets it. If you did it that way the models who didn't get it would eventually forget all about Midnight Takedowns. Until they got it. Then it would be a real surprise.

You could set up rooms in the Armory, but how would they get fed? You would need to hire staff after hours on the night the models were there. Are there showers in the armory? You would need to create a sense of normalcy, an expectation that tonight they are going to sleep soundly and shoot in the morning. But one of them is not shooting in the morning. One of them is shooting tonight. You could even skip a couple of weeks, just to make it even more unlikely that they will be expecting it. You could stagger the shoots so that there could be no guessing when it would happen.

Bottom line, if you made it standard operating procedure to have models at your disposal you would create a sense of normalcy and thereby gain the element of surprise.

I just watched the Folsom Street Fair Video and I thought that your models, all dressed alike, looked like bondage superheroes. Hollywood would be half dead thtese days without comic book characters. You already have the costume. There must be a way for you to use this. Insteadof finding new ways for people to beat the crap out of each other, maybe you need to ecplore new areas of the imagination. Maybe even fun or tongue in cheek bondage entertainment. Maybe more extreme is not the way to go. Maybe more accessible is the way to go.

Peter- I love all of your ideas! But I'm especially excited by the idea of the intruders forcing play between the "victim" and others. For example . . . I'm thinking about possibly hiring TWO models for one scene- each who thinks they are going to be the sole "victim" in the scene. Both go through all their preparations and whatnot, going to sleep in separate rooms (or, were it to be in a rented house/apartment, one could set up and go to sleep earlier, another later, in different rooms). Extra points if they know one another (not too hard in Kink's friendly industry environment!). When the takedown happens, one is forced to top the other by her intruders. Or, if we were to get really fancy, the sub girl could be pre-chosen and "in" on the whole setup, instructed to act very non-consenting (with, of course, all of this prefaced by explicit consent given and videotaped). I imagine that being woken up out of the blue in the middle of the night by strangers will get the kind of disorientation you're looking for, and these extra additions (throwing a wrench into the mix, as it were)could provide it even more, if used sparingly for a special episode. Maybe? I don't know . . . it could be confusing.

I also think it'd be pretty nice to do surprise 'reveals' where the blindfolded sub suddenly gets to see their surprise guest- again, always fun if they know who it is!

And couples would be very hot! I doubt/don't know if Kink wants to mix genres with distinctly separated "Kink Men", but a little forced bisexuality from the male intruders to the male half of the couple (while the wife/girlfriend is made to watch) would be utterly delicious.

Other fun ideas (while, admittedly, advanced) might include having the girl, guy, or couple "escape" through a pre-designed closed-in area that has been set up with security-style mounted cameras. The models can be instructed beforehand that if they are given the chance, they should try to run for it and/or hide. One or more of the intruders can be hiding somewhere (so that when they run through, they'll know were to look). They can jump out and grab him/her/them, adding a definite spark of real heart-pounding fear that's hard to get without going over the line into non-consent. Not to mention adding some serious thrills/suspense for viewers (especially if some suspenseful music is added in, post-editing). I think that'd be pretty dang awesome, actually!

I also think you could make episodes stand out from the standard come-in-and-play-rape-her scenario by adding psychological stuff- the intruder(s) making her give him/them reasons why they should just leave and not do anything, predicaments with couples or heck, even strangers, which definitely increases a viewer's sense of suspense (i.e. "it's either you or him/her, are you willing to suffer so he/she doesn't have to?"), inflicting guilt on subs who were forced to top others in the aforementioned type of scenes, etc., etc..

And while not all participants are going to be as awesome as Lorelei, with this as a real fantasy for them, I think the site should try to attract women who DO have this fantasy, and encourage them to bring in items that would make it more real for them, or shoot in their homes/apartments if it helps them get into it.

I wonder- would it help if the models wore earplugs while they slept? I have a feeling it would add to the surprise (since they wouldn't hear people coming in and sort of pulling them out of the deeper levels of sleep), as well as perhaps help them to fall asleep better (I don't know, is the Armory a creaky place?). And I'm curious . . . in terms of safety, are safewords used (you know, when gags aren't in play?).

Yeah. I've been rambling for a while, but now my mind's just whirring with possibilities!

I am not comfortable with this. I would like to suggest we stay away from any seemingly forced abductions and rapes. It is too close to reality. Too many women have ended up dead in scenarios as depicted here. How is this going to look to the general public and can I afford to be associated with such a site?

First of all: it is a fantasy and one that many (women) have. Sure they will resist in the shoot but we all know that this is roleplay right?

I would not call it rape or abduction or whatever; just call it 'surprise' bondage. The surprise could be that there is more than one model participating but they doný know from on another. The surprise could be in the number of men that 'attack'. The surprise could be in nit knowing the identity of the men. Change their voice and mask them. Have more models waiting just use 1. Say it will happen in any given night in a week. And so the variations are endless. Use men that are actually women with a strap-on.

If anyone knows and expects it to be roleplay, make it roleplay at least for the set-up. Just make sure that you have a model that can do a convincing roleplay.

You need ideas for set-up and roleplay. Check out the forum Stories and you will find plenty of ideas. Need more, contact me.

I think this is a great idea and would like to see it developed further. I agree with Lorelei; the fantasy may stem from a desire to be submissive in an exchange while allowing for the removal of "responsibility" for it. And for a woman raised in a conservative environment, it's a way to live out having wild, wanton sex and "being taken" without having to be seen as a "slut". Yes, you need to tread carefully, but please don't abandon the idea.

Peter. Great work. All your sites are awesome and this one looks like being another. Couple of things to add. I agree with the story line aspects, maybe get some writers in, like the day of the dead was pretty hot due to the story of being caught by riggers of the dead. Also not sure if there is something that has stopped you doing this but TS's topping males is great but why not females also? So for example in one takedown it could be the victim meets a woman in a bar, maybe a work contact or something and they go back to hers for drinks, They offer to put the other woman up for the night. Then in the night the woman she met takes her down and reveals her surprise, extra hard clit?

Just a thought!

As for controversial, most people I think have some points of kink in there lives but some are very closeted to it and find anything beyond the 'norm' scary.Most people who watch your sites are already 'plugged' in to what you do but to make sure I think keep doing the interviews around it and so forth. In fact you could even go back to one of your hogtied shoots (cabo when four women paid for a bondage vaction thing????)and follow the model from discussion of the fantasy she wants, maybe even to a made up fantasy come true company, all the way through the shoot, (even if the actual takedown takes place as someone says anytime in a six month period)

Rape as a fantasy is not about REAL rape. None of us imagining this want to get hurt like what would normally happen when someone is actually being raped. In the back of your mind you know that you're consenting to what is happening, and you trust the person that is "raping" you not to harm you. Real rape is not sexy, but to some people fantasy rape, completely giving up control, and having trust in another person is.

Hi Peter. In addition to my last message it would be a brilliant idea if you could "reward" the models to put up as much of a "struggle" to escape from their captors as possible as in a realistic scenario if somebody breaks into a womans bedroom and begins to tie her up and strip her etc she is hardly going to just lay there and let them get on with it. She would put up a hell of a struggle to break free and escape while her captors are tying her up and ripping off what little clothing she would be wearing she would also be screaming for help, which would ensure that she was gagged to keep her quiet. This would give the models an "incentive to put up a realistic struggle", would also add to the whole excitement of the scenario for the models and especially the viewers and would ensure that your new website proves successful. I will definitely be subscribing to this new website so please get it up and running asap and if you need any help with restraining the girls let me know and I will fly over from Manchester UK....for free!! Good luck with the website David Edwards