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World Famous Folsom Street Fair Celebrates 25 Years
Comments (28) | Posted: October 9, 2008
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I concur with the first comment, a more lengthy documentary from Kink.com's perspective would be worth purchasing.
Once again Kink.com turns a free public celebration into an opportunity to exploit the fetish culture for profit.
Oh give me a break, "wholesome folsom" There are tons of for profit vendors at the event. Kink fits right in.
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Kink.com was there to make money.
"Wholesome Folsom"... It appears the fact Kink.Com did a very good job of advertising the Folsom Street Fair (i.e. the article in discussion), that supports *all* vendors involved (without whom the Fair would not exist) and helping guarantee the Fair will continue to exist, is lost on you... too bad.
It's not as lost on me as you seem to think...
My point is that Kink.com is a parasite that thinks that it is the host. You seem to agree. But I can still remember a world without Kink.com. In fact, I had never even heard of Kink.com until earlier thia year.
Do you really think that the fair would cease to exist without vendors? Kink.com has only existed for 10 years. What did the fair do for the first 15 years of its existence? In what way would the fair be diminished by the absence of vendors? I dare say the vendors need the fair more than the fair needs the vendors.
Wholesome Folsom,
If what you say is actually fact, why would Kink.com be displaying this video? The majority of the video is showing the people who attended the fair, the people who support all of the vendors. If they were as single minded as you seem to think they are, why is the video not ONLY about the Kink.com booth? Why is is mostly about the visitors to the event? Maybe because Kink.com is about CommUNITY and spreading the word about the fair and what it stands for.
They were at the fair to make money. They made the video to make themselves look good here. You surely don't think they did this out of the goodness of their hearts.... do you? If so, I think you are quite blind to what this is. It's a money-making venture. They are selling a product. The problem I am starting to have with Kink.com is that their product is OUR culture. I am finished talking about this.
Wholesome Folsom,
Come by the Armory for a personal tour. Yes, Kink.com is a business but it is also a place of education, turning the world green and a wonderful place to work. Why is it that you are so against promoting this wonderful lifestyle? Are you against every flogger maker or anyone who sells corsets to the CommUNITY?
I will say one more thing. All of this activity is public relations. All of the videos, the MOUNTAINS of videos, on Behind Kink are designed to make Kink.com look good. And the constant praise for Kink.com is like opium. It is almost sinister how exceedingly positive they are. It's really like a cult. It seems like something you would hear at a cult.
Hmmm, ok, howabout the Stepford Wives. Nothing ever goes wrong in KinkVille. Everything is always perfect. The women are always beautiful and the men are always hard. That's why they could misjudge the reaction of their own customers to something like Public Disgrace SO BADLY. Because they live in a bubble where everything they say is always right, where their ideas are always good ones, and they are always the smartest people in the room. This is something that often happens in companies that are very successful very quickly. IBM used to have this kind of culture. A weird cultish culture in which the employees all dressed alike and sang songs about the wonders of being an IBM employee. And they completely missed the computer revolution, because THEY were the computer company, not some longhairs in a garage.
Maybe the outrage over Public Disgrace will serve as a wakeup call. The only reason I still hang around this website is the hope that Kink.com will get it right eventually.
So, bitter, not really. Disappointed but hopeful.
Wholesome... you definitely aren't.
Maybe you should call yourself Pretentious Folsom. It fits better... How can you possibly resent the work Kink.Com does? Cult? Are you NUTS? This is the FIRST place on the web that is a Community of users with like interests... not just one facet of the livestyle... many. Sure, back in the ol' days there was alt.sex.bondage, but wake up.. these are the new days, when people with like interests can view WHAT THEY DESIRE! Now they don't just have to read... they can see what they want... they aren't being "FED" this stuff... they are ASKING for it. And that's why the majority opinion here takes issue with you; they aren't watching because they are being somehow "conned" into it... they watch because they WANT TO. If they don't plunk down their hard earned money, they aren't going to see Jack. And in these rough times, if they plunk downn their money - it's because it's something they WANT.
You're hanging around because you hope they will get it right? Give me a break. That's like someone calling in repeatedly to Howard Stern saying they think he should be taken off the air... then they proceed to give examples of things he's done to prove their point. Problem is... it's a PAY service... and if these people didn't REALLY want to listen, they wouldn't... which makes their excuse and your's LAME.
Are you REALLY done with this subject now? Maybe you've seen the light... and if not.... I guess we all will see what crazy thing you post next...
I don't subscribe to any of the websites here. I watch videos at Extreme Restraints, which is either owned by Kink.com or it is an affiliate. They sell the Kink on Demand videos, which are outrageuosly overpriced. Frankly, the work here has become tedious, repetitive, and boring. But I am hoping that someday they will get their act together. And I believe that they want to get their act together. Or I wouldn't bother stopping in here once a month or so to see what they have done. Which is how I know what people around here do, because I can see it all in a short period of time at Behind Kink without spending much time on Kink.com. So, I guess I'm not like the callers on the Howard Stern show, because I don't want Kink.com canceled, I don't spend much time here AT ALL, and I don't pay for their products. I would never pay for what Kink.com is producing now.
No, that still sounds like bitter. Why are you even here if you hate Kink.com so much?
"Frankly, the work here has become tedious, repetitive, and boring."
Like you, "Wholesome."
Thank God the world of kink has deities like you walking the earth to set all of us stupid sheep straight. Shit! Kink.com is a company that labors to market itself positively and succeed as a profitable business by generating goodwill among its client base?! Good heavens why didn't you tell me sooner! Once again my inferiority is laid bare in my pathetic inability to recognize that no one who has anything to sell can ever be of any value. How can I ever thank you!
Has it ever occurred to you that your opinions might maybe just be only one opinion among many and other equally intelligent people might just be foolish enough to have different ones? No, wait--don't answer that.
"Frankly, the work here has become tedious, repetitive, and boring." So go put your incredible creativity to work and make your own content and put them out of business.
Last thing: There is always a special place in my heart for people like you who declare yourselves "done with a topic" but only on the unspoken condition that everyone else in the room grant you the last word on it.
Bye-bye--done with you and with this topic.
That was not at all crazy or bitter...
I really don't care if you disagree with me. I believe in freedom of speech. Has it ever occured to YOU, and the other people who have angrily attacked me here that I have a right to an opinion as well? Aparently not.
So kill me if I had a thought after I made my post.
While I do believe I am finished with this topic I certainly reserve the right to post here again, if I feel the need.
I hope that doesn't ruin your day...
If the content here is tedious, repetitive and boring, Wholesome Folsom, why don't you just make your own stuff and let us all see if it is better stuff? Or hey, here's an idea: don't come to this site and whine if you don't like the content. Hmmm, don't like the show? Change the channel. Simple. Now, for the rest of us who LIKE this site, thanks, Kink.com for keeping us entertained with a variety of kinky stuff to look at!
"wholesome" The primary reason I subscribe to Kink sites and not others is that they actually have an active interest in real bdsm. I get that these are often highly edited, sometimes scripted, occasionally poorly acted scenes done by models that are sometimes not kinky at all. The difference is that kink actually tries to explore fetishes. They try to get into more lifestyle content. They actually hire some people who do this in their personal lives. If you were to take out the "for profit" portion of kink.com, you'd still be left with a bunch of cool people who are *PART OF* this community you think they are damaging. Porn is, by its very nature, not going to be a realistic portrayal of anything. It's for the enjoyment of the viewer. As for the profit, vote with your dollar and get the *&#$@ out of here.
Khemistry, I HAVE voted with my dollar. I told you that I don't subscribe to any of the websites. I may be giving Kink.com my money indirectly because I prefer to look at videos at Extreme Restraints, which may or may not be owned by Kink.com. They have some kind of association, but I'm not sure what it is. I think there is actually a link to Extreme Restraints somewhere on this website, but I've forgotten where it was. They have an enormous database there, which I find useful. If I see a model that I like and want to check out her work I can do it there. You can search for women over 6 Ft. tall (which I love), or women with red hair who do anal. It is quite useful in avoiding spending huge sums of money on video that looks promising, but is in fact disappointing.
What makes you think I'm not part of "the community"? I was a part of the community a LONG time before Kink.com even existed. This is part of what is starting to bother me about Kink.com. They seem to be hijacking a community which has existed for, centuries, actually, and turning it into a Kink.com product. And the videos really aren't that good. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel about it.
I think probably the pressure to make a video every single week has caused Kink.com to slip into a rut. The videos here seem very "by the numbers". I get the sense sometimes that Mark Davis, for instance, who is very good at what he does, is sleepwalking through his scenes.
Perhaps Kink.com would benefit from a new rpicing strategy. If they stopped trying to meet a weekly deadline and allowed you to pay a single fee to see all of the websites, then you would have access to all of the backlogged videos from all of the sites. You could pay by the minute, like they do at Extreme Restraints, and that way you would only pay for what you watched. And they could spend a little more time working on each video to add a little more thought and creativity to what they are doing.
It just seems to me that they grind these videos out too quickly, and they don't take the time to get creative. It's just a new girl in the same handcuffs.
That's the way I see it. If you disagree with me, have a lovely day.
As for the community at Kink.com, I think that community is more public relations than anything.
I would compare it to the KISS ARMY.
I checked, and you can get to Extreme Restraints by clicking the WEBSTORE button on the Behind Kink homepage. So aparently they are very closely linked. If you go to the actual website Extreme Restraints you can view literally thousands of bondage videos going way back to Irving Klaw and Bettie Page movies. They even sell some Kink on Demand videos, but as I mentioned, they are outrageously overpriced, as they are here.
You might want to check it out. They also sell bondage gear, just in case you are a member of the bondage community, and not just a member of the Kink.com community.
Another thing about the pricing at Kink.com is that it seperates the fetishes and forces you to decide between them. For instance, I love Sex and Submiision, as a concept, but I might like to see some electricity or water bondage incorporated into it. I might like to see some lesbian Sex and Submission, or some lesbian device bondage with a sex machine thrown in. Who knows? But the way they do it here, it's all separate. And honestly, some of the stuff can't stand on its own. How long would you want to watch a website with only piss drinking or fisting?
I think it's odd that a company that claims to want a fetish CommUNITY chops kinky sex into bits and pieces and separates them from one another in order to create separate websites. Peter Acworth, blow down the walls that YOU have erected to divide the fetish CommUNITY in the name of profit!!
(I am being somewhat satirical, but I think the point is a good one)
Wholesom...
What is it that you REALLY want to do by posting here.... You say that you do not have a membership to any kink.com site but then you say
"I get the sense sometimes that Mark Davis, for instance, who is very good at what he does, is sleepwalking through his scenes."
How do you know if you are not a member????? Did you steal content or use someone else's password?
This sounds to me like you are just a competitor badmouthing Kink just for giggles.... I really don't see your point in posting here.
As to separating fetishes, you do realize that not every kinky person is into the same kinks, right? so why make someone wait 3 or 4 weeks for an update they might be interested in? If you like 3 fetishes, join one site per period & download the entire database before moving onto the next site once the first subscription runs out....
Again I still don't see your real point except to read your own writing.
You gotta be kidding,
Well, the reason I keep posting is because people like you keep asking me questions, and I keep answering them. You have asked me how I know what Mark Davis is doing if I am not a member. You have angrily accused me of being a competitor badmouthing Kink.com.
How do I know what Mark Davis does? I joined SexandSubmission. I downloaded the entire backlog of videos, as you suggested. Then I watched them. Then I deleted them, and I canceled my membership, after which Matt Williams gave me a refund. I did the same thing with The Training of O website. So I have seen all of the videos on those 2 websites, and all of the videos on Behind Kink. That's quite a lot. Since then I have been watching the free sample videos on the FREE PORNO website, to see if anything has changed. In my opinion nothing of significance has changed.
Does that answer your question with 5 question marks?????
You know, I don't see fetish the you and Kink.com do. I like to mix my fetishes. I am a kinky dude, not just a water bondage freak, or an electricity bondage freak, or a device bondage freak. I don't want to see them separated. I want to see them all mashed together, the way they exist in nature.
This is why I say that Kink.com is like a cult, because anytime you say anything critical of Kink.com either your posts are just plain deleted by Ilana or you get attacked by angry cultist.
Why so angry, You Gotta Be Kidding Me?????????????????
Basically, I am monitoring Behind Kink FROM AFAR, while watching what I want to see on Extreme Restraints, which is linked to Behind Kink by a Hyperlink. It's not like I have been badmouthing Kink.com and promoting a competitor's website. As far as I can tell Kink.com owns Extreme Restraints. It's hard to tell what Kink.com owns. For instance, on Extreme Restraints they sell videos from the Real Couples Fucking website, which exists in some kind of nether world. It is not a Kink.com site, yet they seem to be making new videos, because there are dozens of them for sale on Kink On Demand.
Lately, I have been waiting to see how the controversy over Public Disgrace plays out.
Why am I here? Why shouldn't I be here. This website is free to the general public, I am a free member of the general public.
Why are you here? Why do you and the others seem to feel threatened by my posts? Is there something unreasonable about what I have told you that makes you respond with such rage? Or, are you just an angry guy/girl in general?
I think this was a great video. I loved to see the "real life" aspect of bdsm. Its wonderful to see people living out their lives the way they want, and in public for all to see.
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This was so entertaining! Any chance of getting a longer, more in depth look at it? This would be something that I would be willing to purchase.If not this year...food for thought for next year? BTW,congrats to The Folsom Street Fair and all involved.25 years is a lot of fun, entertainment...and education!